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Last post 07-29-2008, 5:46 PM by Naren~. 11 replies.
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  •  07-26-2008, 7:21 PM 34338

    Buy, Hold Doesn't Work Anymore

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    An interesting article from NewsMax's MoneyNews.com

     

    Birinyi: Buy, Hold Doesn't Work Anymore

    The old buy-and-hold strategy for stock investing, which has made Warren Buffett the richest man in the world, is dead for now, according to investment guru Laszlo Birinyi.

     

    Birinyi, one of the country's pre-eminent stock strategists for the past 20 years, told Bloomberg Television recently that the market's extreme volatility has put the kibosh on the buy-and-hold paradigm.

     

    As of June 26, the S&P 500 stock index had alternated between gains and declines for the past six sessions. The Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index, which measures expectations of volatility in the S&P 500, has jumped 30 percent so far in June.

     

    "I'm concerned about the structure of the market," says Birinyi, who now heads Birinyi Associates, a money management firm.

     

    "At some point, investors will get fed up with the volatility. For example, during the first 18 trading days of June, the energy sector has been the best performer for seven or eight days, and the worst performer for seven or eight other days."

     

    Obviously this scenario makes long-term investing very difficult, Birinyi points out. "I don't put money in any place now with a view toward keeping it there," he says.

     

    "This is a market in which you have to trade. We've been fairly successful trading. To make long-term investment decisions here is treacherous when you have this day-to-day volatility and the market has major shifts."

     

    Bottom line, Birinyi says: "This is not a market where you can just buy and hold." And that fact makes this a very difficult market for individual investors, he maintains.

     

    Despite the U.S. stock market's volatility, Birinyi says it's presently the best place in the world for investors to seek value.

     

    "I would probably look at the U.S. now, not just because of prejudice, but because the information process is a little better in the U.S., the timing is better," he says.

     

    "We certainly understand the rules. It surprises me how many investors don't really understand accounting and structural differences in marketplaces."

     

    For example, Birinyi says, the Italian stock market index is based on the average price of a basket of stocks during the last 15 minutes of trading. "Most people don't realize that," he says "They think it's based on the closing price. So I think I'd stay in this place [the U.S.]."

     

    While the Dow Jones Industrial Average has slipped 13 percent so far this year, Europe is even worse off. "Sadly enough, we've done better than most European markets, which are down 15-20 percent," Birinyi says.

     

    He is bearish on Europe because he thinks corporate earnings will weaken there.

     

    While analysts forecast earnings gains of 10 percent to12 percent for European companies outside the financial sector this year, "I think that's fairly optimistic," he says. And in the European financial sector, "I don't think people have prepared for the worst."

     

  •  07-26-2008, 10:01 PM 34345 in reply to 34338

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    Let history be your guide:

    2,808 institutions failed between 1982 and 1992 - during the savings and loans crisis - but those numbers will pale in comparison to the bursting of the credit bubble.

    During the last great depression over half the banks failed.

    What kind of downside risk is there? Well in The Roaring Twenties was a time of prosperity and excess in the city, and, despite warnings against speculation, many believed that the market could sustain high price levels. Shortly before the crash, Irving Fisher famously proclaimed, "Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."[1] The euphoria and financial gains of the great bull market were shattered on Black Thursday, when share prices on the NYSE collapsed. Stock prices fell on that day and they continued to fall, at an unprecedented rate, for a full month.[2]

    In the days leading up to Black Thursday, the market was severely unstable. Periods of selling and high volumes of trading were interspersed with brief periods of rising prices and recovery. Economist and author Jude Wanniski later correlated these swings with the prospects for passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which was then being debated in Congress[3]. After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) recovered early in 1930, only to reverse again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. The Dow did not return to pre-1929 levels until late 1954,[4] and was lower at its July 8, 1932 level than it had been since the 1800s.[5]

    “ Anyone who bought stocks in mid-1929 and held onto them saw most of his or her adult life pass by before getting back to even. ”
  •  07-27-2008, 1:52 PM 34363 in reply to 34345

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    History repeated.
  •  07-27-2008, 9:45 PM 34373 in reply to 34338

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    buy and hold works on a few stocks. there are stocks when given a several year horizon you can do it with but generally it doesnt work out. I think that because almost all stocks have been oversold if you were to buy a few now with a 5 year investment plan you will make bank.
  •  07-28-2008, 2:51 AM 34380 in reply to 34373

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    I agree with your view and feel like GE is one of the few "buy and hold" stocks that will make you some change in the long run. i personally adjust to market conditions and have changed my investment strategy from "buy and hold" to buying dip's and selling rally's (trading.)

    the market volatility today makes it easier to win some or lose some. just be careful and watch whatever is on your buy list closely.
  •  07-28-2008, 11:13 PM 34430 in reply to 34338

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    Um... buy and hold doesn't work when your time frame is one month. 

    Look, nobody is denying that the economy is hitting a rough patch now, with further losses probable.  However, saying that long-term investing is an untenable strategy based on this bear market is bailing out of an airplane when you've hit some turbulence.  If this plane really is going down (which would imply that the entire economy had tanked if you've diversified properly), then we've got greater things to worry about than lost investments.
  •  07-28-2008, 11:26 PM 34433 in reply to 34430

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    nrgLegs:
    Um... buy and hold doesn't work when your time frame is one month. 

    Look, nobody is denying that the economy is hitting a rough patch now, with further losses probable.  However, saying that long-term investing is an untenable strategy based on this bear market is bailing out of an airplane when you've hit some turbulence.  If this plane really is going down (which would imply that the entire economy had tanked if you've diversified properly), then we've got greater things to worry about than lost investments.

     

    After the "Great Depression", there were a lot of companies that never came back to life, and others that you would just be braking even with after several decades. So, there is a chance that a buy and hold investor could be down by a very large percentage for a very long time, even if you're well deversified. And, yes we do have greater things to worry about. The worlds economy is pretty much heading down. How low will it go?

  •  07-28-2008, 11:29 PM 34434 in reply to 34433

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    And, one month isn't buy and hold. That's short term investing, or trading.

     

  •  07-29-2008, 12:22 AM 34436 in reply to 34434

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    The whole world economy is headed down.  When the finger pointing gets started everyone will be pointing to the USA.  I'm not saying it's Bush's fault but the jury is still out on how much his administration had to do with it.  The fault mainly belongs to a bunch of investment bankers who thunk up a brillant plan to make themselves extremely rich by stamping shit with a AAA rating and selling it to everyone you can imagine.  Trillions of dollars of this shit is floating around.  It is the mother of all scams.  I just hope wars are not started because of it.
  •  07-29-2008, 12:23 PM 34453 in reply to 34338

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    Trader-Sal,

    Biriny makes an interesting point. However, I find it extremely unlikely that interim volatility will disadvantage a buy-and –hold investment strategy, let along justify abandoning it to trade. Nonetheless, as a long-term investor I feel obligated to investigate such claims. Below is a summary of what I discovered. Hopefully it will make this discussion more interesting.

    Does Volatility Even Explain Returns?

    An underlying assumption of Biriny’s claim is that volatility affects returns. Now I know that volatility affects returns but in order to get a better sense of exactly how it does I decided to regress daily percentage changes in the VIX against daily returns of the S&P 100 (I used the S&P 100 since the VIX 100 goes back to 1986). The regression output is presented below:

    SUMMARY OUTPUT

    Regression Statistics

    Multiple R

    0.696555466

     

    R Square

    0.485189517

    Adjusted R Square

    0.485096692

    Standard Error

    0.008006392

    Observations

    5548

    ANOVA

     

    df

    SS

    MS

    F

    Significance F

    Regression

    1

    0.335056156

    0.33505616

    5226.8964

    0

    Residual

    5546

    0.355511434

    6.4102E-05

    Total

    5547

    0.69056759

     

     

     

     

    Coefficients

    Standard Error

    t Stat

    P-value

    Lower 95%

    Upper 95%

    Lower 95.0%

    Upper 95.0%

    Intercept

    0.000635628

    0.000107537

    5.91078484

    3.608E-09

    0.0004248

    0.0008464

    0.0004248

    0.0008464

    VIX Return

    -0.103636239

    0.001433474

    -72.297278

    0

    -0.1064464

    -0.1008261

    -0.1064464

    -0.1008261

    The results of the regression analysis are very revealing. Firstly, the regression analysis indicates that daily percentage changes in the VIX explain approximately 48.50% of daily percentage changes in the S&P 100. This is a remarkably strong Adjusted R2 and suggests that daily percentages changes in the VIX are a fairly strong predictor of daily percentage changes in the S&P 100 (this is unsurprising given that volatility essentially measures the dispersion of stock prices). Moreover, the regression analysis indicates that daily percentage changes in the VIX are negatively correlated with daily percentage changes in the S&P 100. That is increases in the VIX cause the S&P 100 to decline and decreases in the VIX cause the S&P 100 to rise (this is also unsurprising given that volatility is a proxy for risk). The regression equation is presented below.