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  •  05-17-2008, 3:46 AM 29268 in reply to 29194

    Re: I need HELP with LOSING STOCKS!

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    Wow, lots of advise from lots of people. I would say 2 things:

    1) Sell any stock that falls more than 8% below the price you bought it for, no matter what.

    2) Read How to Make Money in Stocks by Bill O'Neil. You can get any edition on eBay for about $4.

    Do these 2 things and you will thank yourself later.
  •  05-17-2008, 4:04 AM 29270 in reply to 29264

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    Not to start anything but lay off the don't listen to so and so this is not that type of board.
    I think all are smart enough to read and make up their own mind...
    Any way you have a lot of good points and I enjoy all the books you mentioned...
    As my ideas on stock that are loosing I only spend money that i will never miss...
    I take my profits and split it 60-40. 40 goes into another stock.. 60 goes to toys and i like toys.
    Have a good one... brwtrpilot

  •  05-17-2008, 3:56 PM 29286 in reply to 29194

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    If you truly believe in the companies that have gone down already, the only logical move is to pour more capital into the stock.  This is sometimes extremely difficult to do as it is hard to maintain cash reserves in case of a downturn.  This is one way to reduce risk, which will also lower return, but always leave you with enough money to make moves during a market downturn.  The most frustrating thing is being tied up in down positions and unable to do anything because you have no liquidity.  Part of the risk of investing is what's called liquidity risk, and that has never been more obvious than with the failings of some of the banks and most notably, Bear Stearns.  An individual's liquidity risk is based on how liquid their investment holdings are.  Typically, the order sorted from most liquid is checking, savings, money market, CD's, and then goes to longer-term investments from there.  Stocks are considered less liquid because there are typically transaction costs (significantly reduced/eliminated by Zecco) and there is no federal agency backing the amount (ie FDIC).

     

    Back to your question on what to do with down investments:  If you put more capital in now, you are buying more shares at your higher perceived value.  Ex:  You bought 10 shares of a company for $1,000.  You bought the shares for $100 each because you thought they would report a good quarter and you firmly believe in the long-term success of their business model.  They don't report a good quarter and the general market downturn means the new price is $83.  Oh my, now a second infusion of $1,000 would buy 12 shares of the stock.  You would have more than doubled your position by merely "doubling down" (doubling your amount of capital invested).  When the stock goes to $120, as you believed it would based on your solid analysis, you would now make $640 dollars on $2,000 invested.  Without doubling down, you would have made only $200 on $1,000 dollars invested.  32% vs. 20%.  There is a theory surrounding this idea sometimes called pyramid investing.  Nothing to do with pyramid schemes.  The pyramid simply represents the amount of capital you put in at any given price.  You start with a small position and if it goes up, you let it run until you feel it is time to sell.  If it goes down a certain percentage, you put more in, and if it goes down additional percentage you put even more in.  I wish I had a whiteboard but the concept is that if your stock keeps going down, if you put more and more capital in, if it just comes back to where you originally thought it was worth buying, you'll make a bundle of money. 

  •  05-18-2008, 10:03 AM 29305 in reply to 29194

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    TJK,
    Provide some specifics if you want advice for the particular stocks.
    Stockmarket fluctuates, some investments are made for a day or two, others for years and decades.
    Many, if not all people that spend a lot of time on the stockmarket lose money at some point, goal is to make best of situation.
    Donald Trump fell in debt millions of dollars in the 1990s. Recovered, and did OK later on.

  •  05-18-2008, 11:30 AM 29309 in reply to 29194

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    tjkrid17, I feel your hurt. Think of it this way. The day you purchased stock you lost money. I mean you don't have anymore, right? What you do have is part ownership in a company. I've never heard of a company that started out on day one in the black. You rent or buy a building, you hire employees, you buy or lease equipment, you buy materials to make your product or perform your service or buy wholesale goods for re-sale. Then you advertise ($$$) to get customers and hopefully, eventually you will get your investment back and start to see some profit. The REASON you went into business in the first place. I have to agree with OTAVIO to a degree but I'm still a little bit of a gambler at heart. I am not an expert in the STOCK MARKET by far, but I have owned a business or two and know what it takes to make it go. So, here is my suggestion.

    Don't do anything! Leave what you have invested so far alone. Forget it! Think of it as money in a savings account at a local bank drawing 0.50%. Start over! Be tjkrid18 or something. Check out AAV, BEO, BEP, BPT, HNW, RSO and TICC, to name a few that pay dividends. BUSINESS WEEK online is a good way to see what they are paying. But if you still want to (PLAY THE LOTTERY) like I do, set some different money away for that purpose. Small Cap Stocks tend to rise and fall on a daily basis more so than the higher priced stocks do. I recently bought a boat for $1000 that was in need of repair. I spent $750 on it and sold it for $2800 in three weeks. I used $1000 to buy a stock that was at an average of $0.03 per share. It went down to $0.01 per share and I bought 100000 shares. Three days later sold it for $0.02 share for a profit of $1000 which I invested in RSO:NYSE, bought 102 shares @ $9.73. RSO is paying about 17.9% in dividends. Think I'll take the other $1050 and go to the CASINO. GOOD LUCK!

  •  05-18-2008, 5:14 PM 29320 in reply to 29197

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    THANKS for your advice and willingness to help me.  I truly appreciate that.

    Here are my main questions now - What happens if I hold onto my LOSERS?

    I will probably do that because I am stubborn and don't really want to take

    the LOSES that I am in for at the present.  Do stocks ever just BOMB OUT to

    nothing?   If I hold onto them for a while (for as long as it takes) might they

    eventually come back up?  I hope that these questions don't sound too stupid to you -

    I am hoping to learn from my mistakes!!  GOOD LUCK to you, too.  THANKS AGAIN!!!

  •  05-18-2008, 5:42 PM 29321 in reply to 29320

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    If the company goes out of business then yes....it goes to nothing.
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